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		<title>By: Greekgeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are quite right on all counts: Hubpages hoarding links, and Squidoo members supporting one another and sharing tips and ideas more frequently (not always the wisest advice, but people do TRY to share their experiences and learn from one another). There is definitely a constant reminder that Squidoo is a coop. I think it makes a big difference that our earnings are pooled, and then handed out via the tiered payout system -- there is a certain amount of enlightened self-interest in boosting that pool for everybody, to offset the fact that we are also competing with one another! But some of it is just the particular flavor of the community that has grown over time. Every group is different.

 I am still a journeyman in SEO, but after further investigation into Hubpages vs. Squidoo, I wound up making a more in-depth Squidoo lens about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.squidoo.com/how-googles-panda-update-impacted-squidoo-and-hubpages-traffic&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Panda&#039;s impact on Hubpages vs. Squidoo&lt;/a&gt;, covering things like bounce rate, user behavior, spam filtering, the incentives/payout system, outbound link policies, affiliate marketing policies, duplicate content, and site navigation which I think put Hubpages on the losing side of things.

As for eHow, it survived the FIRST Panda update, but the second one cut it down to size. Which is a warning to Squidoo: Google isn&#039;t finished tweaking, and it&#039;s still gunning for low quality and content farms, so we&#039;d better make sure we have enough excellent quality not to get dinged! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are quite right on all counts: Hubpages hoarding links, and Squidoo members supporting one another and sharing tips and ideas more frequently (not always the wisest advice, but people do TRY to share their experiences and learn from one another). There is definitely a constant reminder that Squidoo is a coop. I think it makes a big difference that our earnings are pooled, and then handed out via the tiered payout system &#8212; there is a certain amount of enlightened self-interest in boosting that pool for everybody, to offset the fact that we are also competing with one another! But some of it is just the particular flavor of the community that has grown over time. Every group is different.</p>
<p> I am still a journeyman in SEO, but after further investigation into Hubpages vs. Squidoo, I wound up making a more in-depth Squidoo lens about <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/how-googles-panda-update-impacted-squidoo-and-hubpages-traffic" rel="nofollow">Panda&#8217;s impact on Hubpages vs. Squidoo</a>, covering things like bounce rate, user behavior, spam filtering, the incentives/payout system, outbound link policies, affiliate marketing policies, duplicate content, and site navigation which I think put Hubpages on the losing side of things.</p>
<p>As for eHow, it survived the FIRST Panda update, but the second one cut it down to size. Which is a warning to Squidoo: Google isn&#8217;t finished tweaking, and it&#8217;s still gunning for low quality and content farms, so we&#8217;d better make sure we have enough excellent quality not to get dinged! </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Zorach</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like these predictions failed to completely pan out.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ehow.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alexa shows eHow falling off sharply in traffic&lt;/a&gt; now that there has been some time to test this.

Squidoo, however, has performed very well.  I find it interesting that Squidoo held its ground with this update, whereas HubPages, viewed by many as a very similar site, took a very hard hit.

What are the main differences between HubPages and Squidoo?  I would not point to the spam control...it is true that Squidoo has somewhat better spam control but it also has, like you remark, quite a few spammy lenses left.  The main difference that I saw between these two sites, before the update, is that Squidoo is very generous with its external linking policy, whereas HubPages has a rather draconian policy about links.

I&#039;ve found that google weighs &lt;em&gt;what you link to&lt;/em&gt; much more heavily than most people realize.  HubPages is stingy with its links, in an attempt to hoard web traffic.  It tries to be as much of a &quot;sink&quot; as possible.  I think this is hurting it.

I also think HubPages suffers from more negativity and a generally more competitive attitude in its community, whereas squidoo is extraordinarily positive and supportive--the whole site seems to be designed to favor this.  This can&#039;t hurt Squidoo and I suspect it may be a driving force for people contributing better content, and specifically, attracting people who are not just self-promoting...which would then help it out immensely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like these predictions failed to completely pan out.  <a href="http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ehow.com" rel="nofollow">Alexa shows eHow falling off sharply in traffic</a> now that there has been some time to test this.</p>
<p>Squidoo, however, has performed very well.  I find it interesting that Squidoo held its ground with this update, whereas HubPages, viewed by many as a very similar site, took a very hard hit.</p>
<p>What are the main differences between HubPages and Squidoo?  I would not point to the spam control&#8230;it is true that Squidoo has somewhat better spam control but it also has, like you remark, quite a few spammy lenses left.  The main difference that I saw between these two sites, before the update, is that Squidoo is very generous with its external linking policy, whereas HubPages has a rather draconian policy about links.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that google weighs <em>what you link to</em> much more heavily than most people realize.  HubPages is stingy with its links, in an attempt to hoard web traffic.  It tries to be as much of a &#8220;sink&#8221; as possible.  I think this is hurting it.</p>
<p>I also think HubPages suffers from more negativity and a generally more competitive attitude in its community, whereas squidoo is extraordinarily positive and supportive&#8211;the whole site seems to be designed to favor this.  This can&#8217;t hurt Squidoo and I suspect it may be a driving force for people contributing better content, and specifically, attracting people who are not just self-promoting&#8230;which would then help it out immensely.</p>
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