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		<title>By: giltotherescue</title>
		<link>http://greekgeek.mythphile.com/2011/08/squidoo-tag-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[giltotherescue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 21:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is fascinating. 

First, I&#039;ll clarify that we had nothing to do with this change, although for years in the past we explicitly blocked crawling of tag pages because we believed search engines might not find them particularly valuable. With this change, it seems that Google agrees and is finally smart enough to do something about it.

SEOs talk about indexing and ranking....

Do tag pages help with indexing? It&#039;s possible, although there are probably more efficient ways to help Googlebot discover each important page on the site, given that there are 10mm or more unique tags and lenses could be on multiple tag results pages. Googlebot only crawls a certain number of pages per day, and I&#039;d much rather them spend time on content-rich pages than simple lists of lenses. In addition, sitemaps and other cues ensure that Googlebot already has plenty of direction. There are no indications of indexing problems on Squidoo.

Do tag pages help with ranking? Years ago, I believe that internal links carried significant weight in Google&#039;s algorithm. However, there are many more signals that Google uses these days, and the quantity of internal inbound links simply doesn&#039;t seem very relevant anymore. Google seems to be saying: enough with the indexes, show us more of the content.

If you are interested in the current state of SEO, I recommend exploring SEOmoz&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2011 Search Engine Ranking Factors Report&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is fascinating. </p>
<p>First, I&#8217;ll clarify that we had nothing to do with this change, although for years in the past we explicitly blocked crawling of tag pages because we believed search engines might not find them particularly valuable. With this change, it seems that Google agrees and is finally smart enough to do something about it.</p>
<p>SEOs talk about indexing and ranking&#8230;.</p>
<p>Do tag pages help with indexing? It&#8217;s possible, although there are probably more efficient ways to help Googlebot discover each important page on the site, given that there are 10mm or more unique tags and lenses could be on multiple tag results pages. Googlebot only crawls a certain number of pages per day, and I&#8217;d much rather them spend time on content-rich pages than simple lists of lenses. In addition, sitemaps and other cues ensure that Googlebot already has plenty of direction. There are no indications of indexing problems on Squidoo.</p>
<p>Do tag pages help with ranking? Years ago, I believe that internal links carried significant weight in Google&#8217;s algorithm. However, there are many more signals that Google uses these days, and the quantity of internal inbound links simply doesn&#8217;t seem very relevant anymore. Google seems to be saying: enough with the indexes, show us more of the content.</p>
<p>If you are interested in the current state of SEO, I recommend exploring SEOmoz&#8217;s <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors" rel="nofollow">2011 Search Engine Ranking Factors Report</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Greekgeek</title>
		<link>http://greekgeek.mythphile.com/2011/08/squidoo-tag-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greekgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhh, I&#039;m glad you&#039;re able to get around to this. Thank you, Tim.

So it&#039;s Google&#039;s choice, not code, that&#039;s deprecating more tag pages now than before. Iiinnteresting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re able to get around to this. Thank you, Tim.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s Google&#8217;s choice, not code, that&#8217;s deprecating more tag pages now than before. Iiinnteresting.</p>
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		<title>By: thefluffanutta</title>
		<link>http://greekgeek.mythphile.com/2011/08/squidoo-tag-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefluffanutta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an interesting observation, one that I don&#039;t have an explanation for. I can find nothing in Squidoo&#039;s code that could make this happen.

One comment I would make though is this: just because Google isn&#039;t showing cache: links for the tag pages doesn&#039;t mean that those links aren&#039;t counted for ranking porpoises (sic).

Incidentally, there are &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; tag pages still in Google&#039;s cache.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting observation, one that I don&#8217;t have an explanation for. I can find nothing in Squidoo&#8217;s code that could make this happen.</p>
<p>One comment I would make though is this: just because Google isn&#8217;t showing cache: links for the tag pages doesn&#8217;t mean that those links aren&#8217;t counted for ranking porpoises (sic).</p>
<p>Incidentally, there are <i>some</i> tag pages still in Google&#8217;s cache.</p>
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		<title>By: Greekgeek</title>
		<link>http://greekgeek.mythphile.com/2011/08/squidoo-tag-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greekgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it&#039;s the supplemental index thing that surprised me. I wasn&#039;t entirely sure it still &lt;I&gt;existed&lt;/i&gt; -- this is the first example I&#039;ve seen of it in several years. Tag pages didn&#039;t used to be in it.

And you&#039;re right; the value of their backlink is somewhat limited. So there is a certain sense in demoting them. It still feels a little alarming having so many interlinking routes disappearing at once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s the supplemental index thing that surprised me. I wasn&#8217;t entirely sure it still <i>existed</i> &#8212; this is the first example I&#8217;ve seen of it in several years. Tag pages didn&#8217;t used to be in it.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right; the value of their backlink is somewhat limited. So there is a certain sense in demoting them. It still feels a little alarming having so many interlinking routes disappearing at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Greekgeek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greekgeek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I checked robots.txt, but there&#039;s other ways to do this like .htaccess files and (I think?) javascript. The fact that the tags pages say, &quot;So many results found&quot; at the top of each page makes me think they&#039;re now being generated dynamically by a script when one lands on them, instead of being stored text. I&#039;m not sure, though.

Fluff will know. May tug on him when he gets back, assuming he doesn&#039;t see this post anyway.

And you&#039;re quite right about categories. A pity they&#039;ve turned into such a mess so fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I checked robots.txt, but there&#8217;s other ways to do this like .htaccess files and (I think?) javascript. The fact that the tags pages say, &#8220;So many results found&#8221; at the top of each page makes me think they&#8217;re now being generated dynamically by a script when one lands on them, instead of being stored text. I&#8217;m not sure, though.</p>
<p>Fluff will know. May tug on him when he gets back, assuming he doesn&#8217;t see this post anyway.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re quite right about categories. A pity they&#8217;ve turned into such a mess so fast.</p>
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		<title>By: katinka hesselink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katinka hesselink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Added to say that I just search for a tag page through google simply by typing the title of that tag plus the site name: &#039;a definition of education squidoo&#039; (without the quotes). For me the tag page DOES show up, if I Click &#039;more&#039;, but without the cache as Greekgeek rightly says. 

This tells me that the pages are definitely seen by Google, though it does look like something of a supplemental index. I can&#039;t blame Google for that: tag pages are as much duplicate content as any scraped page. There&#039;s a reason SEO&#039;s tend to want to be able to add a description to a tag page on their blogs (but that&#039;s off topic).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Added to say that I just search for a tag page through google simply by typing the title of that tag plus the site name: &#8216;a definition of education squidoo&#8217; (without the quotes). For me the tag page DOES show up, if I Click &#8216;more&#8217;, but without the cache as Greekgeek rightly says. </p>
<p>This tells me that the pages are definitely seen by Google, though it does look like something of a supplemental index. I can&#8217;t blame Google for that: tag pages are as much duplicate content as any scraped page. There&#8217;s a reason SEO&#8217;s tend to want to be able to add a description to a tag page on their blogs (but that&#8217;s off topic).</p>
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		<title>By: katinka hesselink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[katinka hesselink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this case at least I can find no indication that this is done on Squidoo&#039;s side. The tag pages are not excluded from being indexed through the robots.txt file, nor is there a no-index tag on the tag pages themselves. Also: links ON the tag pages are in ordinary HTML, so Google sees them.

However, it&#039;s clear Google has decided they&#039;re not important. That&#039;s unwelcome news of course. Still, there&#039;s good reason to think they ARE seen and used by BING. 

http://www.squidoo.com/robots.txt

Note too that if tags don&#039;t matter (I&#039;m not convinced they don&#039;t btw), squidoo categories have become VERY important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case at least I can find no indication that this is done on Squidoo&#8217;s side. The tag pages are not excluded from being indexed through the robots.txt file, nor is there a no-index tag on the tag pages themselves. Also: links ON the tag pages are in ordinary HTML, so Google sees them.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s clear Google has decided they&#8217;re not important. That&#8217;s unwelcome news of course. Still, there&#8217;s good reason to think they ARE seen and used by BING. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.squidoo.com/robots.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/robots.txt</a></p>
<p>Note too that if tags don&#8217;t matter (I&#8217;m not convinced they don&#8217;t btw), squidoo categories have become VERY important.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet another fascinating article Ellen. I think it would be helpful for you to have an exchange with Fluff about this, as out of all the people connected with, and those directly working for, Squidoo it seems to me that he is the only one who has a good understanding of the way Google works and what does and not work on Squidoo lenses as far as SEO is concerned AND is willing to discuss it.

However, as he has not been seen around for awhile, and it is the school holidays here, methinks he is probably on vacation.

I would like to raise one point that you make. Sadly, much as I would like to leave space for three lenses that are not my own on the Discovery Module, like many of our Squidoo friends and colleagues, I do not.

This is because at least one Lensmaster has harvested my keywords in order to make a directly competing lens (Statcounter shows him on my lenses at the time he did it) and I could not bear it if any of his crap lenses appeared on my lenses.

And from comments made on SquidU I know it has happened to others too.

So perhaps one of the reasons that Squidoo is removing the &quot;power of tags&quot; is because they are well aware of the tactics being used by some less than &quot;nice&quot; Lensmasters. Who knows?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another fascinating article Ellen. I think it would be helpful for you to have an exchange with Fluff about this, as out of all the people connected with, and those directly working for, Squidoo it seems to me that he is the only one who has a good understanding of the way Google works and what does and not work on Squidoo lenses as far as SEO is concerned AND is willing to discuss it.</p>
<p>However, as he has not been seen around for awhile, and it is the school holidays here, methinks he is probably on vacation.</p>
<p>I would like to raise one point that you make. Sadly, much as I would like to leave space for three lenses that are not my own on the Discovery Module, like many of our Squidoo friends and colleagues, I do not.</p>
<p>This is because at least one Lensmaster has harvested my keywords in order to make a directly competing lens (Statcounter shows him on my lenses at the time he did it) and I could not bear it if any of his crap lenses appeared on my lenses.</p>
<p>And from comments made on SquidU I know it has happened to others too.</p>
<p>So perhaps one of the reasons that Squidoo is removing the &#8220;power of tags&#8221; is because they are well aware of the tactics being used by some less than &#8220;nice&#8221; Lensmasters. Who knows?</p>
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